Ok now I know that millions of people have voted for Obama in this primary process. I wasn’t one of them however.
Now if you did vote for Obama BEFORE all of his associations came out would you STILL vote for him? This isn’t a trick question or anything at all. I am just curious.
The way I saw Obama was like this.
Wow…this man seems like he really cares about the American people.
This man wants to talk ‘to’ us, not ‘at’ us.
This man seems to be ‘in tune’ with Americans and ‘our’ needs.
This man has a great speech. He stands for Change.
Change – Yes We Can. What a great stance he’s taking.
A fresh new face in Washington, for a change.
Someone we can truly ‘believe’ in. Someone who really wants this Presidency “for the people”
Well…what happened to my feelings for Obama?
I think the most important thing is when the pastor from Trinity came on television and I learned about Black Liberation Theology. I was appalled then, and I still am. This church (and many others just like it) actually ‘teaches’ hate! Obama sat there for twenty years listening to this man. Oh sure he has said that he didn’t hear anything near this, but he did hear some comments that weren’t so great. I have to wonder…exactly ‘what’ comments did Obama consider “controversial” ?
Ok now we should feel better because he has left this church now right?
I think his letter to the church speaks for itself. I’ll input that here:
Obama resignation letter from Trinity
May 30, 2008
Dear. Rev. Moss:
We are writing to make official our decision to end our memebership at Trinity.We make this decision with sadness. Trinity was where I found Christ, where we were married and where our children were baptized. We have many friends among the 8,000 congregants who attend there and we are proud of the extraordinary good works the church continues to perform throughout the community to help the hungry, the homeless and people in need of medical care.
We also have come to appreciate your ministry and both think you have been, and will be, a wonderful pastor for years to come.
But as you know, our relations with Trinity have been strained by the divisive statements of Rev. Wright, which sharply conflict with our own views.Our larger concern is that because of my candidacy and membership at Trinity, these controversies have served as an unfortunate distraction for other Trinity members who seek to worship in peace, and have placed you in an untenable position as you establish your own ministry under very difficult circumstances.
Our faith remains strong and we will find another church home for our family. But we also know that faith and prayer are not merely exercises to be discharged for two hours on Sunday. They are and always will be a bulwark for us in our daily lives.
We are grateful for our years as part of the Trinity community, and wish you all the best as you lead the congregation into the future. You, your family and the entire Trinity family will be in thoughts and prayers.
Sincerely
Michelle Obama
Barack Obama
Ok what “I” see wrong with this letter is this. Obama is actually making it look like he’s doing this for the “good” of the church. Hmmmmm…who is he kidding? Yes I’m pissed. He doesn’t denounce the church, as if it would really have any impact anyway though. I think had Obama done this from the very beginning it wouldn’t have mattered much either because who in hell sits in a pew for twenty years listening to this man and actually ‘not’ get into it?
Ok so he’s black (half anyway) and I can totally understand his need to be in a church where he feels accepted. However I would also have to think that by being half white, why wouldn’t he feel OFFENDED?
Ok..these are my thoughts.
Now if you had a choice and you know all about Obama BEFORE this race started, would you still vote for Obama?
July 7, 2008 at 11:11 am |
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July 18, 2008 at 1:34 pm |
I will never vote for this anti-american supporter!
July 21, 2008 at 7:04 pm |
Unless you went to Trinity United Church of Christ, I don’t believe you can say with any conviction that it “preaches hate”. Obviously Rev. Write is an objectionable figure who used his pulpit to propagate some hateful things, such as the lie that the US government is responsible for the AIDS virus. But the frequency of statements like these is totally unknown. What have we seen, 5 questionable statements from Wright, ranging from eyebrow raising to hateful? Maybe 7 tops? And these statemenst came from 3 or 4 different sermons.
Wright has been preaching for 30 years and from what I understand most of his sermons have been recorded and are for sale at the TUCC website. Do you think there haven’t been an army of network, print and internet media employees and campaign operatives and bloggers who have poured over these recordings looking for more treasures? TV networks hate using the same video over and over again and spend big money to obtain fresh video and sound bytes the public hasn’t seen or heard to continue coverage of an ongoing story. If Wright has been saying this stuff with any real regularity for decades, isn’t it strange that after weeks of wall to wall Rev Wright coverage in March, and then after the story poped up again more than once since, we’ve still only seen 5 or 7 quotes from teh same 3 or 4 sermons?
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a blight on Obama’s record that he stayed there. Obviously at the very least he knew that Wright’s sermons had a tendency to drift into the uglier tenets of black liberation theology. But I don’t see any reason to believe that Obama buys into these ideals.
I think there are two issues that may many people don’t quite grasp. The first is that, like it or not, that kind of speech is more prevelant in black American culture than many whites realize. Particularly people who lived through and remain bitter from the civil rights era. I do believe these notions have lost a good deal of steam with younger generations of black Americans, particularly as they have enjoyed the gains that the sweat abd blood of their parents and grandparents afforded them. Still, I believe a lot more black families have an uncle or a grandparent who talks like Rev Wright than white families. Consider that despite Rev Wright (however often his sermons have gotten ugly) TUCC is boasts the largest black congregation in the Chicago area.
The other is that Obama is a politician. As someone who is generally skeptical of the religious faith of polticians, I tend to think that the reason an agnostic community organizer with aspirations in local politics joins the church with the largest black congregation in a primarily black congressional district and stays there through his tenure as a state legislator probably isn’t based in religious ideology.
The fact of the matter is that there is not a single quote attributed to Obama since he became a figure in local politics that supports any of the questionable things that Rev Wright has said. However, he is on record many numerous times for contradicting the BLT ideals of Rev Wright, even back in the earlier days of his political career – a time and place for him when perhaps statements in support of BLT ideals might not have always been a detriment to a campaign. The record of his statements is clear. I accept that we are known for the company we keep. But I also know that I don’t want the opinions of people I am close with to be applied to me. Particularly when I have consistantly spoken and acted in opposition to those statements.
July 23, 2008 at 9:16 pm |
NO!!!not then and will not in the election “still waiting for a miracle to happen” maybe HUSSEIN will give up and let a real AMERICAN lead our democratic party!!!! We don’t need an IRANIAN in the white house leave them in afganistan!!!
August 8, 2008 at 5:46 pm |
Of course I voted for Obama! It’s because I’m not a racist or hateful person. It’s because unlike Sharon, I know he is not Iranian. I also don’t think there are a lot of Iranians in Afghanistan.
Go away PUMA. It’s really getting pathetic at this point.
August 10, 2008 at 11:39 pm |
His church of BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY did it for me. He sat there for TWENTY years listening to hatred being spewed about whites/Caucasian and the USA and did NOTHING until he got caught. I will NEVER vote for Obama.
August 12, 2008 at 12:54 pm |
“He sat there for 20 years listening to hatred being spewed about whites/caucasions.” I’m not aware of a single thingthat Rev Wright said about white people. There are white members of Trinity Lutheran. Sure Wright said some questionable things – and at least one pretty scary thing (blaming the US government for the AIDS virus). But all of the objectionable thing we know he said put together makes up somethig like 7 or 8 total sentences.
This goes along with the hate narrative that the political right and certain sectors of Hillary Clinton supporters (from that group – mostly feminist extremists and southern racist Democrats) has invested in to defame and dehumanize Obama. Among the lies I’ve personally been told as reasons to not to vote for Obama are that he: is a racist, hates white people, is a black liberation theologist, is a muslim, is a terrorist, is a terrorist sympathizer, hates the Pledge of Allegience, hates Christians, supported Raila Odinga – the anti-Christain Prime Minister of Kenya, is the cousin of Raila Odinga, hates the Ameican Flag, hates America, took his Senate Oath on a Koran instead of a Bible and is “Iranian”, to name a few. I can now add to that list that he attended a church that preached anti-white racism for 20 years.
I guess if some people need a reason to hate someone badly enough, they’ll believe anything.
August 15, 2008 at 5:17 pm |
OMGIAMGOINGNUTS,
The fact that the language of Black Liberation Theology makes you uncomfortable, does not make it hate language. Black Liberation Theology has consistently and stridently condemned White Supremacist structures, but that does not amount to the same thing as condemning white people, per se, any more than a feminist condemnation of patriarchy amounts to a condemnation of men, per se.
Speaking as a white man, my only regret in this whole affair is that the knee jerk fear response of the white community forced Sen. Obama to choose between a congregation that nurtured his political consciousness and will to act for the common good, and the viability of his political campaign.
August 18, 2008 at 8:16 pm |
When I first heard Obama speak I was enchanted and wanted to know more. The first place I went to see more about him was his senate website. On that site he advertised himself as being a proud member of Trinity United Church of Christ. I did a google search on that church in Chicago and started reading info on the website. I read the “about” page …
http://tucc.org/about.htm
…back then, the first paragraph wasn’t there. The word black was used in every sentence and it was apparent to me that it was a radical church. When I read the 4th entry of the 10 point vision statement I knew he would never get my vote. The 4th item on the vision statement says, “A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.”
Then I started reading his legislation and realized that that 4th vision statement was indeed a belief structure he carried through in his public life in politics. (Congo Act, Fatherhood Act, Debt Forgiveness Act, Global Poverty Act)
That’s when I felt it my obligation as an American to try to spread the word about what I’d learned about Obama through blogging.
If we could only reach more people with the truth about Obama that the press is distorting and concealing.
http://willnevergiveup.wordpress.com
October 7, 2008 at 11:34 am |
I’d soon cut my wrists with a dull pair of scissors and bleed to death, before I would vote for that piece of s**t,
October 12, 2008 at 9:13 am |
Wow, and they say that TUCC spouts hate, what exactly are you all doing here.
October 12, 2008 at 11:41 am |
Chris B:
Hate? Isn’t that what Wright did to us WHITE folks? And to the USA? Check your facts man before you start spewing.
October 13, 2008 at 10:11 am |
Rev Wright, to my knowledge, never said he hates America. He did say “God Damn America”, when he was referring to America’s foreign policies. Of course you all probably know that Rev Wright wasn’t the only Christian leader who has said this very thing about the United States of America.
It was Jerry Falwell, for example, who told us that 9/11was our fault. But instead of placing the blame on the foreign policy of our power elite, he blamed the very culture of our society and the equality that our country stands for, namely that we as a people tolerate and accept that homosexuals are allowed to openly live among us. Further – and much, much scarier – he put his opinions in much more literal and definitive and specific terms than Wright. Wright said God Damn America, pointing out where America’s foreign policies do not align with the Bible. Falwell and other Christian leaders went so far as to say that the 9/11 terrorists WERE DOING GOD’S WORK when they killed 3,000 Americans on that day.
If that isn’t hate, I don’t know what is. And yet I don’t know of any politician who would be so raked over the coals for having associated with Jerry Falwell and other Christian leaders like him.
And I can think of another leader who, unlike Jeramiah Wright, did openly and explicitly declare his literal hate for America. Joe Volger. Never heard of him? Not a lot of people have. He is the founder of the Alaska Independence Party. A group that openly endeavors to seceed from the United States of America. Some choice words from Mr. Volger: “The fires of Hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.” Here’s another good one: “I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.” That one still remains on the introduction page on the AIP’s website, even since they have cleaned up most of the anti-American language to protect Governor Palin’s Vice Presidential candidacy. And here’s an interesting fact about Mr. Volger demise: when trying to buy illegal plastic explosives in 1993, the deal went bad and the dealer wound up murdering him.
And while we can be relatively sure that Governor Palin was never a member of that group, founded by a likely aspiring terrorist and committed to the goal of treason, we do know that she has a long history of association with them. We know that she openly courted and eventually married one of their members, Todd palin. We also know that she has received their endorsement for governor, spoke at several of their conventions and meetings and even gave the welcoming address to their 2008 convention.
If you insist on playing this political guilt by association game, it’s amazing what you’ll dig up when you take a hard look into the people that politicians surround themselves with in their early careers. For some more guilt by association fun, check out a little group called The World Anti-Communist League, an arm of which John McCain sat on the board for in 1981. The folks involved with that group are I think just a touch more interesting than Bill Ayers. Here’s a sampling:
Dr. Yaroslav Stetsko, executive board member, is a former Nazi collaborator from the Ukraine
Mario Sandoval Alarcon (the “Godfather”) of the National Liberation Movement (MLN) of Guatemala
Roberto D’Aubuission of El Salvador, founder of the rightwing ARENA party and founder of the Salvadoran death squads
From the South African WACL chapter, Ivor Benson, known for his racist and anti-semitic books
Former president of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos
St. C de Berkelaar of the Netherlands, former SS officer and president of Sint Martinsfonds
Giorgio Almirante of Italy, an official in the Benito Mussolini government
Dr. Anton Bonifacic of Croatia, wanted in Yugoslavia for war crimes
An anthropologist and author of racial supremacy books, Roger Pearson was chairman of WACL from 1978 to 1980
Yaroslav Stetsko, chairman of the Anti-Bolshevic Bloc of Nations (ABN), attended many WACL conferences. Stetsko was a Nazi collaborator and briefly was the self-declared leader of the Ukraine
Chirila Ciuntu, who remains a member of the Rumanian Iron Guard, a group notorious for its pogroms against the Jews
Ryiochi Sasakawa, a member of the Diet in World War II who was classified as a war criminal by the U.S. and served two years in prison
Yep, guilt by association sure is a lot of fun – when you only apply it to you political opponents.
October 28, 2008 at 7:19 am |
http://notthistimearound.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/obamas-propaganda-piece-coming-to-tv-on-wednesday-night/
Make sure you register your disgust at Obama’s last big campaign effort- he is buying a half hour of time to run an “ad” during prime time on Wednesday night. SAY NO WAY! Watch Pushing Daisies on ABC or America’s Next Top Model on the CW – do not watch Obama give a half hour canned campaign speech. Why is he doing this? Because he can’t answer questions with the kind of sincerity , intelligence and believability that allowed Bill Clinton to win over Democrats and Republicans alike.
October 31, 2008 at 8:24 pm |
You silly racists. And to think this is the 21st. century??!! Is It?
November 1, 2008 at 12:35 pm |
No will not vote for Obama. He is a masked man. I know he will not be good for our country. Just list to his words. He wants to drasticelly change our countary to a socialist one.
He wants a youth corp!!! Wh does he sound like???????
November 4, 2008 at 1:24 pm |
I would not, could not vote for that man!
November 6, 2008 at 9:02 pm |
i did not vote for obama. not because what you said about obama. but what Dr. Martin King said, in his wonderful speech. which was,
judge a man by the content of his charater, and not by the color of his skin.
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